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Reversing Diabetes With A Unique Clinical Approach [E007]

mature couple smilingReversing diabetes is dependent on the type. This podcast offers an introduction to different types of diabetes and how functional medicine can play a role in determining the root cause of you blood sugar issues.

The question of how you may have become diabetic may be as simple as discovering treating inflammation and imbalances in the body. Stop letting people tell you it’s your diet, weight or lack of exercise causing your diabetes and start getting to the root cause. Dr. Bryan Joseph interviews Dr. Anthony Pasek, expert in reversing type 2 diabetes.

Introducing Dr. Anthony Pasek, expert in reversing Diabetes (Type 2)

Dr. Bryan: All right, welcome everybody. Here we are today, back with The Wellness Connection Podcast. Today I’m excited to bring one of the clinical experts of our team, Dr. Anthony Pasek to our discussion today, so welcome.

Dr. Anthony: Hello, how are you?

Dr. Bryan: Most people probably aren’t aware who Dr. Anthony is and he is a brilliant mind that’s joined our team about six months ago, maybe a little bit longer. And I’ve had the opportunity clinically to work with him and to pick his brain. There’s a specific category or topic or niche of healthcare that he’s really, really excellent in and I wanted to bring him in to today’s discussion to share with you how he got involved with the background of functional medicine care.

Specifically how you got to become more of an expert in the condition of treating and reversing conditions like type two diabetes. So, first again, welcome. We’re excited to have you not only on the podcast, but as a team member here.

Can you just start off by giving the listeners just an idea of who you are, how you got to this stage, a little bit of your background and then maybe what was it about functional medicine that piqued your interest in wanting to explore?

You seem to go to a seminar like almost every week, learning and reading books, which I think is great, but why so passionate, where did the interest come from?

How Dr. Anthony got started

Dr. Anthony: Well, thank you for that introduction, Dr. Bryan. I really got started in my journey into healthcare indirectly because of functional medicine. I didn’t really realize that until much later on.

But, really, my passion for that started just with a job in high school. I worked in an assisted living home, first in the kitchen and then later on moved into more direct patient care and, specifically, in a deep dementia unit with very advanced cases of Alzheimer’s and I really grew to become very attached to those residents and really from even just a young age realized that they were not being managed correctly in the conventional model.

You know, the nurses would come around and they’re just pushing pills. They don’t do anything else. Each resident taking up to 15, 20 pills every day and they’re eating grilled cheese and steamed veggies and watching TV and not having any kind of hope for even improving their condition at all in that system and I just knew that there had to be a different way.

Deciding how to best help Alzheimer and Dementia patients

Dr. Anthony: So I had considered going into nursing and actually one of the employees at that home said, “You know, I really think you could be a good doctor” and nobody had ever said that to me before and I thought, “Well, gosh, why not? If I’m going to go into this system, let’s look around and see.”

So then I started to investigate, well, what type of doctor would really have the best option, the best opportunity, the best tool set to be able to help people like this and not just follow the conventional medical model. So I ended up, through a series of events, going to chiropractic school and didn’t really have a desire or even really a knowledge of what functional medicine was at that point, but was interested in nutrition and lifestyles.

Dr. Bryan: As you’re going through this, maybe you can give that definition because a lot of people, not just you, don’t know what functional medicine really is.

A definition of functional medicine

Dr. Anthony: Sure. Functional medicine is probably best just contrasted with what we call conventional medicine or modern American medicine.

So functional medicine is really looking at the root cause. What is causing this condition?

Not just giving you a pill to treat a symptom or to mask something, so looking at things like your environment, your diet, your lifestyle. So it’s a pretty broad definition, but it’s really just looking at what’s the actual fundamental reason for you having this problem.

Dr. Bryan: And it’s interesting, that trend in our society is taking place, because so many people are sick of taking medication and not seeing progress and, therefore, I think that’s really why there’s momentum behind this branch of medicine called functional medicine because there’s more and more consumers and patients interested in getting to the root cause, in addition to the doctors.

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely. Yeah, I think diabetes is a perfect example of that because it’s really … depending on what type you have, which we can get into, but it really is an environment condition. Once you really get to the root cause of what’s going on in that person’s environment, usually that condition improves.

Turning to Diabetes

Dr. Bryan: So in terms of today, one of the things you mentioned with your background was you were in assisted living with cognitively declined patients. Maybe in the future we’ll have an opportunity to expand on that discussion and some of the things you’ve seen and what could be done for those folks, but today, we really want to dive deeper on just the specific topic of how functional medicine can help a diabetic. So let’s start with the types, just like you mentioned.

There’s type one, type two. How many types of diabetes do you know of and then what is the difference between them?

How many types of Diabetes are there?

Dr. Anthony: I would say if we had to lump all of them together, there’s probably roughly four or five types of diabetes, but let’s just focus on two and maybe just touch briefly on a third.

Type 1 Diabetes

The first one, by number, type one, it really is an autoimmune condition, meaning your immune system attacks your body and, specifically, your pancreas, which is very important for diabetes, because your pancreas is where you make insulin. So type one diabetes usually shows up very early in life, as an infant even.

Dr. Bryan: Like, you could be born with type one?

Dr. Anthony: Potentially, yeah, where essentially your immune system has just totally destroyed your pancreas. You do not make any insulin at all and you have to take insulin for the rest of your life because you have no pancreas function left. It’s not terribly common. It’s fairly rare. There is a bit of a genetic component to that one, which we can come back to in the future.

Type 2 Diabetes

But by far and away, the largest group of diabetes is type two and that is probably better known as insulin resistance. I really use that term with patients more than type two diabetes, because they understand I’m making insulin, my pancreas is still here, the insulin is just not working.

So that has a whole host of causes which we’ll dive into, but that’s the biggest sort of chunk of the diabetic pie, if we look at percentage of people who have it. Usually people get that when their older. It used to be called adult-onset diabetes and type one was called juvenile onset diabetes, but they had to change it because, sadly, with the state of our current system, kids as young as 10, 12, are getting type two diabetes.

Dr. Bryan: That is crazy to see it. Not only type two diabetes, but all sorts of different diseases.

Adult Onset or Type 1.5

Dr. Anthony: So they had to stop calling it adult-onset because people were so sick that they were getting it before they were adults, so we really now call it type one and type two. Just briefly, there is one in the middle that I see a lot, a lot more than we might think, called type 1.5 and that typically happens when you’re an adult and usually you get diagnosed with type two diabetes, but there’s a hidden autoimmunity happening that usually doesn’t get detected unless you do the right tests and are putting on the right detective hat and asking the right questions.

So usually it’s a slow insidious destruction of your pancreas later on in life when you’re an adult and then you end up requiring insulin because you’re not producing insulin anymore so it’s kind of a hybridive type one and type two and that’s why they call it 1.5.

Gestational Diabetes

Dr. Bryan: Another, I guess, type or version of diabetes that I often see patients come in on their history is gestational diabetes? What is that?

Dr. Anthony: Right. That’s basically … I’m not really an expert on that. It’s essentially where you get insulin resistance while you’re pregnant. That’s just kind of the long and short of it. It’s significant because it makes it more likely for you to develop type two diabetes in the future. I would also suspect … I have not seen any research on it, but I’m sure it predisposes the child in utero to have some type of future health condition. I don’t know about diabetes, specifically, but that’s not terribly common. But, really, that’s an environment solution, too.

Type 2 Diabetes is the most common type

Dr. Bryan: So for the purposes of today, let’s kind of stick with the most common one.

Dr. Anthony: Type two, without a doubt.

Dr. Bryan: If type two is the most common, is type two also the one that you have the most control over, in your opinion, in regards to change the issue?

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely. Yeah, the good news is you’re still making insulin, your pancreas is still working great. You’ve just got to figure out what’s causing the insulin resistance. So it’s kind of like a roof with a bunch of holes in it. You’ve got rain coming in from 36 different holes. There’s no one single cause to insulin resistance, but if you’ve got 36 holes and you only patch up one, you’re still getting water in your house.

Dr. Bryan: I like that.

Dr. Anthony: So, we’ve got to patch up as many of those holes as we can and those are the root causes, the functional medicine perspective of why you have insulin resistance in the first place.

Dr. Bryan: So if there’s a bunch of holes in the roof, like you said, and there’s a bunch of root causes that develop over a period someone’s life, then eventually those things lead into symptoms that somebody might experience?

Misconceptions about Type 2 Diabetes

Dr. Anthony: That’s probably the biggest misconception that I hear because most patients that I meet, they didn’t know they had diabetes. They do a routine test, you know, they might get their fasting blood sugar tested once a year, every six months and it could be going up a little bit, a little bit, but then once it just crosses a certain threshold.

They say, “Oh, well, let’s test your A1c, your hemoglobin A1c, which is kind of like a diabetic report card. It tells you what your average blood sugar has been over time. Most people, they just get an A1c checked.

They go into their routine visit and the doctor says, “Oh, you’ve got diabetes,” and they say, “What are you talking about?”

But if we look at the textbook, if your sugars are really out of control, the classic trilogy would be being thirsty all the time, peeing all the time and being hungry all the time. But you usually have to be pretty far advanced for that to happen. If we had to say what I see most universally as the symptom that goes with it, it’s fatigue, but that is so nonspecific. You could have fatigue for 50 different reasons, so.

Lack of energy

Dr. Bryan: I would agree with you and I see a lot of people, also diabetics that come through the clinic, that do complain about having no energy and just backing up three, four, five years ago their energy level has declined. Now, we’re all going to lose some energy, potentially, but they’ve noticed more of a significant loss of energy and oftentimes there’s a lot of them that I see and maybe could say the same thing on your end that are asymptomatic. There’s no real symptoms.

Dr. Anthony: Exactly.

Dr. Bryan: They just got the report card that their blood work was not looking pretty and now they’re freaked out that they have some kind of disease that’s going to kill them if they don’t change something.

Considering the consequences

Dr. Anthony: The good news is most people know about the consequences of diabetes. Heart disease, amputations, blindness, kidney failure, you name it. There’s a lot of significant consequences. So they may not be able to “feel” their blood sugar or their A1c being high, but they know that it can be a problem and they just know that they don’t feel good, in general.

Dr. Bryan: Can we back up to those holes in the roof?

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely.

Dr. Bryan: That’s a great analogy and really just referencing that as a bunch of different reasons why someone could develop this disease. What are some of the things that you are aware of that can cause those holes in the roof or that can cause someone to develop this issue?


Dr. Anthony: Probably the most unifying theme would be inflammation and the question is why are inflamed? So there’s a laundry list and we can go through some of those.

Diet as the cause

You might be eating a standard American diet that’s filled with inflammatory fats and refined sugars and grains and things like that or you might be eating a food that’s healthy, in most people’s eyes, that you just have an immune intolerance to, like eggs or beef or almonds. Really, there’s testing that needs to be done in that case.

Gut issues and infections

The gut is a huge, huge category, all unto itself. So if you had a gut infection of some kind, that certainly could contribute to insulin resistance as one of the holes in your roof. Not having enough good bacteria. You know being on antibiotics, for a period of time, could do that.

Thyroid issues and nutrient imbalances contribute

Dr. Anthony: Having other conditions like thyroid problems or potentially imbalances in nutrients like iron, in particular. That’s a whole other discussion we should have sometime.

Iron, fatty liver, infections, hepatitis

Too much iron can contribute to insulin resistance in a lot of people. Having a fatty liver from either a diet or a potential infection, even like hepatitis or something like that. What else could we think of?

The role of diet and exercise

Dr. Bryan: Well, what’s fascinating and while you’re thinking there, is I don’t think I heard you say anything really about exercise and diet being why people are actually developing this. That’s the number one reason that I hear. People come in and say, “I got this because my diet’s been horrible,” or that “I’ve never gotten off the couch.” Now, those are important, would you agree?

Dr. Anthony: They are, yeah, but it’s not the end-all, be-all.

Dr. Bryan: It’s not the only thing that creates the hole in the roof, right?

Stress and sleep

Dr. Anthony: Right. One last one that’s very important that we didn’t touch on is basically stress, sleep. A hormone called cortisol which is very, very important. So if you’re burning the candle at both ends and you’re in a stressful job and relationship and you’re not sleeping or you work swing shifts, cortisol directly affects your blood sugar, so insulin resistance, stress, sleep, all intimately related. That’s a very big hole in the roof that doesn’t get addressed often.

About current treatment approaches

Dr. Bryan: So there’s a small laundry list that you just shared there-

Dr. Anthony: Exactly.

Dr. Bryan: -that you said that could have contributed to this disease or metabolic condition. In your opinion, what do you notice is the traditional way of caring or managing for this? Once somebody gets that inevitable diagnosis that you’re diabetic, there seems to be a protocol that almost all doctors utilize, which is almost like a one size fits all approach and why do you feel that that, from what you’ve shared with me in our discussions, that that may not be the best approach to try to really get a grasp of this condition?

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, well it’s just woefully inadequate to say in a five to seven-minute office visit, which most people have in the conventional setting,

“Oh, you’ve got diabetes, by the way. Here, you’re going to start taking metformin,” and you’re left with questions.

  • Well, what does metformin do?
  • Why do I have it and diet and exercise?
  • Often, just that, “Well, what diet, what exercise?” “Well, better and more” and that’s it.

So it’s really pharmaceuticals and essentially very poor lifestyle advice that, really, the doctors aren’t trained on and they’re not doing an effective job of communicating it and even if they did, it’s the wrong advice to begin with. So it’s literally just a flow chart.

You can look up the algorithm of the American Diabetic Association.

If your A1c is this, you take this medication. If after three months it goes up, you add this medication to the list. If it keeps going up, you add insulin. The doctors really don’t make decisions anymore.

Not fixing the root cause

Dr. Bryan: Why do you believe that that approach is one that is not really helping patients very well?

Dr. Anthony: Sure. It’s not fixing the root cause, you know? None of those things that we discussed address the holes in the roof of all those things that we listed previously. So it’s just the standard model of you’ve got a symptom, you’ve got a diagnosis, here’s the pill that will essentially just hijack your physiology and not really fix the underlying problem.

Dr. Bryan: So it’s being used simply to cover up symptoms or to manage what’s in front of me at the moment, but not necessarily asking the deeper level question of why has this happened in the first place?

Dr. Anthony: And unfortunately, it usually doesn’t help with most people’s symptoms, either.

Being overweight does not cause Diabetes

Dr. Bryan: Yeah, they usually end up on the list of medications and it gets worse over time. What is also so interesting is you referenced diet and we talked about that for just a second here, but there’s diabetics that come into the office and you see them, too, that are literally like 115 pounds. They’re not overweight and then there’s a lot of people that walk around that are 350 or 400 pounds and they’re not diabetic.

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, it’s interesting in the time that we’ve been working with these patients, how overweight patients will come in and tell me, “My doctor says I just need to lose weight and my A1c will get better.” Thin patients? Their doctor never mentions anything to them about weight. They just don’t have an answer. You know, “I don’t know why you have diabetes.”

Yeah, that’s a very common mismanagement that being overweight will give you diabetes, period, and that’s the reason why. I would say we easily have just as many patients that are thin that have diabetes, just as many patients that are overweight that don’t, you know? That’s a common misconception, for sure.

Reversing Diabetes – Is it possible?

Dr. Bryan: So many people get that inevitable diagnosis, they freak out, they get put on some medication, and then they’re told to go see a dietitian or start to reduce the sugar that they’re eating, right?

Dr. Anthony: Right.

Dr. Bryan: And maybe start exercising and nine times out of 10 those people continue to progress with some kind of worsening of their condition and then they find themself on more medicines, sometimes all the way to the point where they’re on insulin or multiple forms of insulin to try to control this from really taking over the other systems of their body. But is there a better way … or is reversing diabetes a possibility?

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely. So it gets back to that analogy again. You’ve got to identify where the leaks are through testing and then you have to address them and it’s not easy and it’s not fast, but we frequently see people just checking their blood sugar readings improve in as little as a week or a month if we really get to the root cause.

Absolutely, without a doubt, when we look at reversal, diet is important, but it has to be a specific diet for that person and it’s definitely not the American Diabetic Association or the Food Pyramid Diet recommendations, which is what most of these people hear.

Eat whole grains, make sure you have some fat-free dairy every meal, adjust your carbs, adjust your medication based on how many carbs you’re eating. So, diet is important, but diet is a huge topic, in and of itself, as far as what are you actually doing for this person.

Why adequate testing is important

Dr. Bryan: Oh, I could be opening up a can of worms by asking this next question, but I caught on to one of the words you just said here. It’s important to test adequately to really figure out what’s going on. A lot of people will just believe that a blood test is all you need to know and what else is there to test? What do you like to know or test? If you had access to anything, unlimited amount of resources for a patient, money wasn’t an issue, insurance coverage wasn’t an issue, what information do you want to discover in order to help somebody really figure out what’s causing these holes and try to reverse this condition?

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, without a doubt, the blood test is important, but the standard testing that is done even by an endocrinologist, a specialist in diabetes and hormones, you know, they might test five or six panels.

But then you go for your annual physical or biannual, they might look at 12, 15 markers, if you’re lucky and, really, that gives you very little information. A comprehensive panel which we don’t need to go into the details of what that includes, but just to put a number on it, I think we counted that it was 80, 65, 70, 80 markers, something like that. Many, many, many of which have never ever been tested in that patient’s life before and can give us very good information about where those weak links are, those holes in the roof.

Blood tests vs additional specialty tests

Dr. Anthony: So blood is the most important foundational test and it’s what we repeat most often but there’s many other specialty tests. The second most important, without a doubt, is a stool test.

We get a lot of information about what’s going on in your gut. Your microbes are hugely important for your health. We can learn more about inflammation and leaky gut and infection and all kinds of stuff from that.

Looking at cortisol and hormone imbalance, which we discussed before. Typically, that’s done throughout the day to measure your sleep-wake cycle and your male and female hormones and things like that and then food sensitivities are very helpful to identify if there is a “healthy food” like eggs or beef or even like garlic or green beans that somebody might be eating all the time that’s causing inflammation in them that is contributing to their insulin resistance and diabetes.

Dr. Anthony: Lastly, just one more on top of that, I would say that things like toxins in the environment are just exploding in importance in our patients and in everybody who lives in the modern world.

So, chemistry in your food. You know, pesticides and herbicides, potential toxins in your food, heavy metals and things like that. Even contamination in your drinking water or another huge topic, potential mold exposure. Inhaling those spores either in your place of work or at home, all of these things are much more advanced testing that you can look at to see, do you just have toxic overload that’s driving this whole thing?

Why are tests not more widely prescribed?

Dr. Bryan: I find it slightly mind-boggling that all of that science and testing is available, but most patients don’t get access to it when they go to their doctors. Why does that happen, do you know?

Dr. Anthony: Two reasons.

Lack of training

First of all, most physicians aren’t trained on any of that stuff.

Dr. Bryan: Well, a lot of those tests are directly in the brand of functional medicine, is that why or no?

Dr. Anthony: I think they’re growing and expanding, but really it starts from the ground, up. You know, you go to medical school and you learn all this stuff.

They’re not teaching functional medicine in these advanced testing and medical school.

I think it’s moving in that direction and I know providers locally and nationwide that are interested in that. You know, conventionally trained medical doctors that want this stuff because they see that it works.

Insurance and FDA approval hurdles

But the second part of that is that some of these specialty labs, they might not technically be FDA approved or sanctioned, so if your physician is working in a hospital system where they have to follow very strict guidelines and they’re not really decision-makers or just sort of following flow charts, for lack of a better word, then they can’t order these specialty tests.

Dr. Bryan: And they’re trapped.

Dr. Anthony: Some of them are covered by insurance and really that’s kind of a big barrier that will be coming down, but a lot of these are available at fairly inexpensive cash rates and some of them are even direct to consumer, so that is shifting, but a lot of these, like some stool tests are covered by insurance and some of them aren’t, so if you’re working in an insurance-based system and that’s your perspective as a patient and a provider, oh, if it’s not covered, then we don’t do the test.

Dr. Bryan: And that’s what I’ve seen a lot of times where patients come and say, “Well, these are great tests that we have access to. Why don’t our other doctors give us access to these?” I say, “Well, they would, they could, but here’s what typically happens. They start with like the smallest unit and just the smallest tests available because they’re pigeon-holed by regulation telling them inevitably that anything beyond that is not yet medically necessary.”

Dr. Anthony: Right, that’s important.

Bypassing the system to taking control of your own health

Dr. Bryan: And so what happens is they get one test and if there’s no pathology that shows them there’s a problem right now, then they can’t move onto step two and so, sequentially, you have to wait like months, and months, and months to go through one test at a time to try to get approval and, in the meantime, people are just getting sicker, right?

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely.

Dr. Bryan: So you can bypass the system if you need to and just get the test and then take responsibility for trying to get yourself healthy.

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, that’s a great model and I really am optimistic in this regard. I think that’s where we’re headed as a culture. I mean, the patients need it. They want it.

How important are Genetics?

Dr. Bryan: So one more thing that I want to just ask you before we wrap this up is so many people believe that the reason they have diabetes, type two in general, is like we touched on before, poor diet or poor exercise. The third category here is genetics.

Are genetics that large of a factor compared to lifestyle? Which one do you think has more weight in regards to determining the outcome of whether or not you end up dealing with this condition or not?

It’s the environment

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, without a doubt it’s the environment, 90%.

It’s hugely, hugely important. Now environment is a big topic. It’s the entire exposure of your lifetime from birth until death, anything that’s not your genetic fate.

Now, that leads them to a sort of a broader topic of epigenetics which is very fascinating. So the idea there, just to use a simple analogy would be like your genetics are like a blueprint or a recipe that you inherit from your parents. But just like a blueprint or a recipe, it just sits there. It’s just instructions. It doesn’t do anything on its own.

So a recipe needs a chef to make a meal, right? That chef is your environment. So if you’ve got somebody who is trained by the finest French bistro chef in the world and then a guy who flips burgers at McDonald’s-

Dr. Bryan: You’re making me hungry.

Dr. Anthony: -then which one’s going to get a better meal, right? You get the same recipe, but the environmental interpretation of that test is what gets you the final product. The food is your health. Blueprint, same example, if you’re a contractor, the building materials that you have, they can work from the same instructions and get two wildly different outcomes. So identical twins don’t necessarily have the same health outcome in life and we can actually study that and see that there’s a difference based on your environment and the exact same genetics.

Dr. Bryan: So our choices every single day matter.

Dr. Anthony: Absolutely. Much more than any sort of … with a few minor exceptions, much more than any kind of genetic fate that we get handed down that we have no control over.

Closing with success stories from our patients

Dr. Bryan: As it closes out for today, I want to ask you, any cool stories that you’ve experienced clinically with any … not to name names, but is there any cool experiences where people that have come in with clinical data of A1c’s that were skyrocketing and weight that was overwhelming and what have you seen in what period of time? When someone’s like, “Gosh, can this condition really be reversed?” What’s an example of what you’ve experienced with a real patient?

Dr. Anthony: Yeah, just yesterday, in fact, I had a gentleman who came in. He wanted to lose weight. He was concerned about his thyroid and we did our standard routine blood chemistry, which we call routine, but it’s the comprehensive panel that we discussed.

I discovered that his A1c was 5.8, which is technically pre-diabetic. A normal number would be about 5.4 or so. So I told him, “Hey, your A1c’s high. Your blood sugar is high. Your insulin is high. You’ve got pre-diabetes,” and he was just … not really devastated, but he thought,

“Oh, great. Well, I’m just going to have diabetes for the rest of my life.”

Diabetes can be reversed and does not have to be an express train

I thought, man, is that really how we’re conditioned in our society to just think once you’re on this train, it’s just not going to stop.

But I said, “Absolutely not. I’ve seen these numbers get better in a few weeks, in a month. We’ll retest this in six to eight weeks and I’d be willing to bet you’ll have a normal A1c if we identify these other areas.”

So that’s one example, but certainly just … we almost at this point get jaded with how incredibly better people get so often because your A1c could come from 9, which is out of control, down to a 5.5, 5.6 and I mean, that’s just … we’re fortunate we get to see that every day.

Fortunate to see examples of reversing diabetes every day

Dr. Bryan: It’s so cool to celebrate those wins with patients when you do see people that are maybe 30, 40 pounds overweight, their A1c is really 8, 9, sometimes 10 and then simply after incorporating the right lifestyle habits, nutraceuticals, dietary changes, identifying some of these causes from these tests that you just shared, you see within sometimes two months, there’s a drastic difference. There’s a whole different individual and they’re thankful and we’re excited as we’re high-fiving each other, saying, “This is great,” right?

Dr. Anthony: Exactly, it’s so fun.

Dr. Bryan: It’s so fun. So, anyway, you might be out there thinking, “Gosh, who do I go to that maybe will help me with the condition of type two diabetes? I don’t know anybody local that practices the branch of functional medicine. I don’t know that the people in my neighborhood or my community really know what you guys know. If you’re looking for help and you need some guidance …

I’m not saying that we’re the answer for every particular patient or every case, but you can always go to and you can contact us. We’d be happy to … one of the doctors or providers or Dr. Anthony can help to guide you as to who may be able to help you or how we may be able to help you or at least make sure that we can push you in the right direction so that you don’t feel like you’re on an island. I know we’ve helped a lot of people from outside of our area.

There’s hope!

Dr. Bryan: And so you don’t have to feel like there’s no hope. There’s hope all around you. It’s just a matter of making sure we get you to the right resource. So, as always, there’s an opportunity as long as you’re willing and we’re here to help you in any way we can.

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